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To your J*e anons

Look, you don’t even have to be a Kaylor to realize that their relationship is not real and that J*e is merely a beard. You don’t have to believe in Taylor and Karlie or even Taylor herself being anything other than straight.

Because their timeline just doesn’t add up and will never do no matter how much you try.

I can’t believe that YOU believe she met J*e at the met while she was still with Calvin yet had her eyes on J*e the whole night while dancing with Tom and eventually dumbing Calvin to date Tom and travel with him all around the world. But ohhh yeah she had a crush on J*e all along. Why didn’t she leave Calvin for J*e? Why didn’t she dance with him? It would’ve made much more sense. But she didn’t, because the three of them are/were her beards/PR and he wasn’t on the map or wasn’t a good choice at the time. I can’t believe a woman could have her eyes on two men at one night and simply be in love with them both? She had Tom to distract the media from the awful drama that was going on and the WHOLE world knows that. You are just naive or probably still too young to understand that Taylor isn’t an angel and the world isn’t all colors and roses. People have lie and cheat sometimes to save themselves.

She didn’t even bother write about Calvin/Tom (except getaway car) which is unlike her nature because she always writes about her feelings, but she didn’t, you know why? Because they were NOT real relationships. They were NOT real breakups. Because she was/is in a stable relationship already. She didn’t have it in herself to write things she didn’t feel, and it was so easy for her to link J*e to Rep. She actually brought him in the first place to write those love songs and link them to any “guy”, because people are gonna question those love songs while she just had supposedly two awful breakups.

She plans her albums two years in advance, but she can’t predict meeting someone and falling in love and writing songs like Delicate/Dress/So It Goes a year or two years before she met him.

🐿 It's because Taylor openly exposed the 🛴 every chance she got that I think Karlie still has a beard, just for the protection of their private lives, and nothing more. Both are multi-millionaires, money is not the issue here, but physical security and lack of psychological preparation to expose such a significant part, what is most precious in their lives, the their family.

Imagine the fear Taylor must have felt of losing another important part of her life, her privacy and maybe even her relationship, because of all the repercussions this story will have, if made public, after the sale of her masters. I think all the courage and preparation Taylor has built up to come out of the closet over the last few years has been totally shaken after Scott's betrayal. That's why she didn't come out in 2019, and Karlie must be finishing her contract, or else why would she celebrate the end of her 7-year contract (tweet of 🏈), only to sign an extension next month or before? It makes no sense! I've talked to some mutuals and I'm on the team that believes Karlie is in that sunset clause that Todrick and Ashley talked about and hoping the end is near.

It's not money or blackmail, it's just protection. You saw that, even though she exposed the dirty way SB2 acted, Taylor was still criticized harshly, many saying that she was complaining with a full pocket and wanting to play the victim once again. Do you think that even after showing that she was betrayed and having little support with her masters, she would venture to say that she has somehow lied and deceived everyone for years and and she would let speculation increase about her real connection to Karlie Kloss in last years?! The hatred for Karlie would be 10 times greater than today, that even those who once supported KK are now throwing stones at her for keeping her wife and child safe.

I think the plan before was for Taylor to come out while Karlie was still married, so no one would say Taylor turned gay because of KK. However, after the masters pivot, she said in The Lakes, now she's just going to come out with her muse. That's why they both still have beards, to protect their family, although I don't think Karlie's will last much longer. I don't think she'll turn 10 years bearded. I hope.

I don't agree that Taylor was not supported with the masters sale. I feel like she received a lot of support. Sure there will always be naysayers, but I don't think Taylor was judged harshly for her reaction to the sale.

Karlie could also have gotten divorced and found a new beard if their goal was protection. There is no ethical justification for what Karlie is doing. She is bearding for an organized crime family. There is no sugar coating it. She is getting blasted for her public actions. She cannot expect anything less based on how she is presenting herself to the world.

I’ve gotten a couple of anons wondering if I have, or you should have, some sympathy for Yael. Just to be clear I do not, and don’t think anyone else should. And I don’t think Taylor does either. Remember what she said after the masters thing:

(You may also choose to believe or not that she called her “a d-slur cunt” in front of a party of influential people including at least one friend. You have to be the judge of whether you believe this, but if she did, that friend would have been able to confirm it to Taylor.)

This is, I believe, what prompted Taylor to release Mad Woman. “What do you expect me to say to that? Does a scorpion sting when fighting back?” In other words, did Yael and scooter really think Taylor was just going to let this go? Did Yael (a Scorpio) let it go? “Women like hunting witches too, doing your dirtiest work for you.”

I just read a gossip article this morning that rumor is that Yael was privately unhappy with the whole way scooter handled the masters thing. Sure. This is EXACTLY the same sort of rumor that was passed around late last year, that Kim K was sorry for how Taylor was treated during Snapchatgate and that Kim K sent an apology note to Taylor saying she regretted it and felt like she was manipulated into participating. Sure. Even if any of that is remotely true you still did that and tried to ruin her career (and arguably her personal life) and you were very deliberate about it and it went on for months, even years and you bragged about it. Don’t give me this “I’m just a woman manipulated by bad men” sob story after the public opinion pendulum has swung against you. You’re a dick, plain and simple.

I’ve also gotten anons asking about scooter, and whether he has always had this bad of a reputation (since so many seem to be relishing in his marriage trouble) and I can’t say for sure because I’ve only followed his career for 3.5 years. But my impression was that yes he has had a bad reputation, but worked very very hard at reforming his image for the last 5-6 years. And he almost succeeded. I think he was generally doing a good job with it, and while many in the industry knew he was a typical Hollywood sleaze, they didn’t quite realize how awful he is, and the GP had quite a high opinion of him. But then he made a big mistake. That mistake was underestimating Taylor’s hatred for him and not realizing that she would sacrifice money and time and energy in order to get back at him. Most just go along with these situations because they want money and don’t want to make enemies. Taylor said “not this time sleazeball.” And I think it absolutely blind-sided scooter. I think he is a textbook narcissist and has an outsized opinion of his own abilities (classic example of “thinks he’s the smartest in the room” when he most definitely is not.) And if Yael has regrets about any of it, it’s that scooter made this mistake and took it too far and this was the result. Not that he did what he did and she thinks it was unethical or slimey, but that he did it poorly and ended up the loser and she also looks like a loser. That’s what she’s mad at.

All that being said, we are now seeing and will continue to see a barrage of scooter and Yael trying to control this narrative in a way that puts them in the best light. Things will be amicable. They’ll try to make it work. It will be a conscious uncoupling. They will be supportive co-parents of their kids, so much respect, yadda yadda yadda. Him being a cheating sleazbell will never be openly mentioned. Because in the world of PR if you ignore something long enough it might go away, and if you retell the same lies over and over it eventually becomes somewhat believable. Some will come from scooter’s people to paint him in the best light, some from Yael’s doing the same, and some from them both as agreed upon. This is the PR game. Every single thing you see or read from them will be feeding a narrative to paint them in the best light. And on the other side, whoever is leaking things that are unflattering will likely continue to do so. And some will believe one side and some will believe the other, some will openly say one thing while privately believing another. And some gossip sites will relish in the dirt and some will sell the more positive story they are fed, whatever gets clicks. Also note that none of these gossip articles mention “the master of spin has a couple side flings”from Taylor’s mouth. They talk about their feud around the masters. They talk about his cheating rumors. But no one connects the dots to Mad Woman. It’s fascinating. They talk about his cheating rumors but they don’t talk about where those rumors came from. Why that is, I’m not entirely sure, but I’ve noted it.

Meanwhile, I will continue to watch and see what comes of the career of the wannabe media mogul now rebranded as Scott Braun, because godammit it’s fascinating and juicy.

Hey kids! Vegas is fun! 🎶😘🎶

Damn. November 19th, 2018

This is the text Taylor sent to me on Monday, November 19th at 8:57am:

Scott,

I hope this finds you well. Since communication ran dry on our negotiations, I’ve done what I told you I would do and gone out exploring other options. Owning my masters was very important to me, but I’ve since realized that there are things that mean even more to me in the bigger picture. I had a choice whether to bet on my past or to bet on the future and I think knowing me, you can guess which one I chose. I also saw a rare opportunity to effect positive change for a lot of other artists with the leverage I have right now. I know you believe in the same things I do and I’d like to think you would be proud of what I’ve negotiated for in my deal. I wanted to tell you first that I’ll be signing with Lucian. I honestly truly cherish everything you and I have built together and I plan on saying so in my announcement of the new deal. What we accomplished together will be a lasting legacy and a case study on excellent partnerships, and may it continue. I still view you as a partner and friend and I hope you feel the same. Sending you a hug and my most sincere gratitude.

And SO much love,

Taylor

Gosh, Grey November for sure. My gosh. November 19th is haunted for real.

https://www.bigmachinelabelgroup.com/news/so-its-time-some-truth

Fitting for her to release Red TV on that date.

I swear this song is like an onion, as you peel off the layers and deeper you go, there are more connections and meanings, profound implications, and complex emotions, especially if you play around with the point of view..

For instance, as per Taylor (writer), the narrator (presumably her partner) of the song unambiguously endured pain and suffering as a result of being with her through the darkest nights. The lyrics “And if I would've known how many pieces you had crumbled into / I might have let them lay” and then “How sharp the pieces were you'd crumbled into / I might’ve let them lay”, repeated twice, suggests the writer’s anxiety and guilt about damaging the narrator, and if the narrator also wonders whether the damage by association was worth it? One the flip side, the line could imply the narrator’s doubt about their value to Taylor in those darkest nights, if their support helped or worsened the situation (might have let them lay, so left things as they were) because it appears Taylor’s anxiety continues to be an impediment in their relationship. And with the word choice of sharp, the narrator is admitting to being cut by those pieces, otherwise how else would they know how sharp they were..the more I listen to this song,m the more I’m-🥺😭🤯

in conclusion, enchanted is about emma stone

I’ve been looking for the “Joe is gay” blind items/gossip people allude to but can’t ever find anything! Can anyone point me in the right direction? I just finished my last ever law school exam and would love some light reading. 😅

Congratulations, anon! I don’t recall any specific blinds as I don’t really follow those anymore. But others may chime in. As always take them with a grain of salt.

Things I want erased from my memory:

You're the West Village

Me! Out now (on Lesbian Visibility Day)

I came straight from Rome

Female ballet dancer trying to get to Taylor in Lover performance

I want to thank my boyfriend Adam

Snuck in through the garden gate

They're all wearing these robes btw, it's like an actual fantasy

Emily, I feel like our relationship got to the next level

Our secret moments in a crowded room, they got no idea about me and you

Taylor tagged as a daisy // now I'm your daisy

I like women, particularly gay women

Your eyes are really blue... damn it, did I blink?

The number thirteen

Fell down the rabbit hole URL

I don't want you like a best friend

Got drunk and made fun of the way you talk

The Male Perspective™

My E-e-e-e, she's my friend now

You say you wanted me, but you're sleeping with him

Wear you like a necklace

Something happens when everybody finds out

She's a queen, selling dreams, selling makeup and magazines

Allegedly

I left a note on the door with a joke we made

She's a crook who got caught

Women secretly touching hands in "The Man" MV

"Honey" in Taylor's playlist

Orange Girl™

The shape of your name still spells out pain

I loved you in secret

"Breathe" = platonic friendship song

Everybody's watching her but she's looking at you

And that's the thing about illicit affairs

Thirteenth person to walk out in VSFS // thirteenth person in "Bad Blood" MV

My man and I've been through a lot together

The Eye Theory™

Glass shattered on the white cloth, everybody moved on

She's got shiny abs

You wear the same jewels that I gave you as you bury me

Middle name Joseph

Exile as single on August third

Gave me the blues and then purple-pink skies

Love locked down

When you talk to me like I'm your friend Diana, I'm not Diana

On the way home

Betty, will you kiss me?

And you can want who you want, boys and boys and girls and girls

Relax - I'll try

That she never loved me

I like a cup of Joe in the morning

My girl

I grew a beard to be taken seriously as a producer at the Grammy's

That's the price I paid for seven years in heaven

Have a great summer knowing how disgustingly beautiful you are

Gay pride is what makes me me

I'd fall from grace just to touch your face

It shouldn't be a big deal who you love

Karlie filming Taylor performing "Dress"

I wanna kiss a girl

That's fine, I'll tell mine that you're gaaaay

I've tried ×2

"She's my sunshine" in Taylor's playlist

Or hide in the closet

Kissgate

A lifetime of adventures together

Riptide cover

Fifth person in the dive bar

Every gender neutral interview (person, they/them)

Are you gonna get a beard like Taylor Swift?

Angel boyfriend of one year

Watching Karlie watch Taylor during this moment of Taylor watching Karlie was everything

Shade never made anybody less gay

That was my first girl kiss

I am obsessed with you. If you look out your window and down the street about 200 yards, you may see a big white van parked on the street. I am inside the van with a telescope and computer. Just trying to catch a glimpse of Kelsey.

Dancing in your Levi's

When I walked up to the podium I think that I forgot to say your name

We're both normal girls™

As a birthday present from the media

I get mystified by how this city screams your name

I want her midnights

Like I'm not your favorite town, I'm New York City

Your kitchen or mine?

The girl in my story has always been you

August slipped away

You're so gorgeous, it's hard to talk to you

IMPo0RtaNt™

The skeletons in both our closets plotted hard to fuck this up

Let's show our pride

Staying friends would iron it out so nice

Josh's playlist

If that's you, pad yourself on the back, I love you so much

(Pisces) (Male) (Producer)

I don't like a gold rush

I can't dare to dream about you anymore

Now you try on calling me baby like trying on clothes

Sorry for not making you my center fold

Gay texan picture

It's new, the shape of your body

Now she's hiding in a closet. Now she's locked in that closet.

NEW GAYLOR PSA

extra obligatory disclaimer: if you dont think kaylor happened, this isn't for you. if you think toe is without a shadow of a doubt real, this isn't for you. if you think they're still together, this isn't for you. happy for yall, honestly. this is just for new gaylors lost in the sauce with all the weird narratives going around. ALSO THIS IS JUST THE MOST OBVIOUS AND SIMPLE INTERPRETATION OF TAYLORS MUSIC. ENJOY HER ART AND WHAT SHE PERSONALLY SHARES WITH US AND DONT STALK HER FOR THE LOVE OF ALL GODDEN PLS ITS JUST FOR FUN JFC YOU CREEPS.

ok there are a lot of newbies here that are getting confused by the loud voices in the fandom. those voices are NOT the consensus. please don't think that they are. they just arent.

most of us have just kinda quieted down and chilled out bc we know what's actually going on.

but thats leaving newbies out to dry being confused by the actually RIDICULOUS theories going around rn. ofc you're getting confused and starting to buy toe. because gaylor vets arent explaining it to you.

(it's because we are all just a little over it, sadly to say)

Maybe I'll make a refuting timeline surrounding the Breakup. it sounds exhausting. for now if you're confused about anything specifically, feel free dm me.

here it what is actually going on (as far as anyone can know these things to any extent and obv no one knows her personally and it's all just a fun exercise in futility lol but this is the veteran consensus, ok cool)

TAYLOR IS GOING THROUGH A BREAK UP. I dont intend this to be mean but seriously - this is obvious as fuck. please just........listen to folkevermore. thank you.

taylor has officially gone in the closet, probably for good. it's sad but it's true. it's why we've all chilled out and gone quiet. PLEASE accept this. she isn't coming out. she doesn't want to anymore, at least not right now.

Taylor and Joe aren't real and have never been real and they haven't become real over time (although I do get wanting her to be happy). ok sure I can't know that. but I think if she IS in a relationship with Joe and she wrote those songs, it's a toxic BAD one we should NOT be celebrating (obviously I don't think this, he seems like a really nice person, pls don't misconstrue this). I don't care that she's involving him in her music, or how long it's been, or that she says his name now. HES A BEARD. thats the nature of their relationship and it always has been. she is just more sure he's her forever beard now. it is NOT sus that she involves him in her music. idk if he really has a part in it, I very much doubt it, but she clearly wants people to think he does. they clearly have a nice working relationship and he is GOOD for her reputation. also he keeps her solidly in the closet. see #2

Karlie is ..... just. not . ..... Not. a part of Taylor's life. so the baby doesn't matter. it ISNT Taylor's. idk whose it is, it doesn't really matter. THEY. ARE. BROKEN. UP. Please listen to Taylor's actual music.

(4.5?) There's gossip that karlie is settled down with a new gf now. if thats true, good for them I guess. whatever. who cares.

They broke up in the summer of 2019 for good. they probably broke up before that too, maybe even several times (but no they DIDNT break up for good in 2016 and dm me if you want an explanation lol). They had a very turbulent relationship. it's easy to idolize their relationship bc her music is just so good -- but we have to remember that taylor is looking through rose colored glasses. we are only hearing the folklore of their relationship. just because her songs about karlie are masterpieces doesn't mean they're soulmates. maybe they were bad for each other. I do think her new music kinda shows she is slowly seeing that, which I am so proud of her for. although it does seem like the baby really set her back but that's another sad conversation

the old gaylors are still around, giving her space to get over losing who she thought was her HOME and her FOREVER. that's, just, the kind of sadness you may never get over.

WE are also sad. of course it doesn't compare but many of us found solace through the picture of their relationship she painted through her songs. it was, it IS beautiful. they had something really special. we are mourning that for and with taylor. folkevermore is TRAGIC.

just because it's what's on your dash doesn't mean that all the gaylors are either desperately trying to convince themselves taylor is a new dad or trying to convince themselves she is happily in love with Joe 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

So, India is dying.

Look, I know a good number of you are from the US and things aren't amazing there either, but my country is literally on the brink of collapse. So I'd love it if we could talk about that for a minute.

If you can't do anything else, please just read and reblog.

A second COVID wave has taken out the healthcare system. There are no more hospital beds. There's an oxygen shortage. There's a critical vaccine shortage. The Central Government has thrown its hands up and is passing the baton to the State Governments to do what they can.

There are over 16 million covid cases. A record 330,000 new cases reported yesterday - comparable to the US at its peak. 187,000 dead as of today.

There is no plan.

Mass cremations are taking place. The cremation grounds are running day and night and they are short on wood. People are watching their loved ones die while waiting for a hospital bed, and then they're unable to give them the proper burial rights.

Hospitals are overwhelmed. Patients are being confined, two to a bed. They're the lucky ones.

We are on the verge of people dying in the streets.

This is the second-most populous country in the world. The largest democracy. A country that encapsulates over 15,000 years of recorded human history and has endured everything from famine to invasion to colonisation.

We might be at the end. This might be the thing that does us in.

People are dying.

People are dying.

People are dying and there is no plan.

More good news? Variants are popping up. A double mutation strain has shown up. It is resistant to current vaccines. This will not go away. This is the devastation they warned of when the anti-maskers were out protesting the minor inconvenience of covering their face in public.

My country is on the verge of an emergency state. Our government has failed us. This is as dire a situation as it ever could be.

Look. I don't do much with my life. I write fics, some of you have read them and that's pretty much it. I spend my days with my head in the clouds because that's where I like to be.

But two days ago, my grandmother tested positive, had to be taken to hospital and the ambulance caught fire.

She barely made it to the urgent care she needs.

So, here I am, using whatever meager platform I have to cobble this request together. Because I have to do something.

If you can, donate.

Or spread the word.

Help. Please.

Alright! Here it is! I made this for my girlfriend to understand my theories, but some of you wanted to see it so I’ll share it here! 

The rest is under the cut!

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Excuse me but a big swiftie IG user(evermoreontour), who seems to have inside info a lot of the time (I’ve been following them for several months) posted the f-ing pic KK posted for her birthday I 2016, the ft call pic, and wrote “I can see the end as it begins, my one condition is, say you’ll remember me”

Tea Time! We *might* be getting Blank Space (Taylor's Version) on April 16th. Here's what I know for sure: On May 11th, we're getting a single. 1989 (Taylor's Version) is coming out on May 14th. Because 1989 came out in 2014 and was her 5th studio album. The same way 4/9 was chosen because, with Fearless (Taylor's Version), she now owns 4/9 of her albums. We're getting Speak Now (Taylor's Version) on July 9th. I do not know what's happening in June. Good job on the Coney ISLAnd tea, btw!

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Taylor does not approve of this blog and propaganda

You wish, anon ...

the sad post

okay friends - I’ve been putting off making this post since evermore came out, but i think the time has come. I think, that in the same way we’ve gotten kaylor clues for years, we’ve now also gotten clues about their break up. I don’t think this means that they’re over forever, necessarily, but it does seem like things aren’t good right now and their dynamic has changed significantly.

1 - unlike lover and folklore we did not get a teaser from karlie for evermore. For the Lover announcement we got a Karlie count down that you can see here. Then, Karlie’s last post before the Lover release looked suspiciously like the album cover:

it was even MORE obvious with folklore - where she posts a video of her dancing in the woods in a cardigan 13 days before the folklore release (remember - literally no one knows this album is going to drop!!!)

AND karlie posted this other tribute to the album the day that it was released.

However, when evermore was released we didn’t get any indication or tribute from Karlie. She was in the midst of her Adidas drop and all of her posts were promo for that.

2 - Taytaysbeard (the ultimate kaylor blog) was deleted. This comes as a HUGE red flag to me. Yes, there were haters, who likely were reporting ttb and being ridiculous - but the haters were always there. it was a big red flag to me that ttb got shutdown two days before evermore came out because a) there had never been a problem before that - why bother shutting it down now? what changed?and b) I think that the album evermore was so obviously queer that their teams knew if people could go on the internet and find such a large, informative resource that it would out both of them, so they needed to erase it.

3 - Almost all of the songs on evermore are about divorce or not being with the person you love. We’ve always said the the truth is in the music - and this is a very very sad break-up album. It’s been so easy to do analysis because I feel like what shes trying to say is so clear. The only song that is not explicitly about a divorce/break-up is long story short, but even that is about a whole bunch of break-ups until the post-chorus and bridge.

4 - this one kills me. I will be doing full analysis on both these songs later - but the album name in and of itself is letting us know that it is the end of the road with karlie. taylor has used the word evermore once before in a song - in New Years day. this song is a clear kaylor song - reference to the polaroids, talking about the pages of a love story like in Cornelia street, and the general concept of being there even when they’re being normal people, not celebs. 

In NYD she says “Candle wax and Polaroids on the hardwood floor/You and me forevermore” - yet this could be re-read as “you and me for evermore”. This is so devastating, because in the first reading (the original intention), Taylor is saying that her and karlie will be together forever. however, in the second reading, Taylor is saying that her and karlie were together until the album evermore came out. this is so sad and beautiful and genius!

I know right now we are in an era where talking about ♠️ brings distress and frustration but I noticed something and I wanted to write it down because I write down my thoughts here.

I want to talk about this sequence which we have all mulled over and discussed at length which has brought much frustration. It’s just stuff I noticed.

The amount of clues sent on each day - if they are accurate - add up to 13. Meaning ♠️ sent a specific number of clues each day during this rollout.

1 on 5/31, 3 on 6/1, 3 on 6/2, 2 on 6/3, 1 on 6/6, 1 on 6/10, 1 on 6/11 and 1 on 6/13

1+3+3+2+1+1+1+1 =13

Then 8 days later ♠️ returns to write it out in sentence form. And in doing so moves the ellipses (...) to before the black heart (...🖤.). The 🖤 was on 5/31 and the ellipses was on 6/10. 11 days apart.

Then we get the last two clues on 6/11 and 6/13

I thought that was something worth mentioning without getting into the meaning of the message.

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When it comes to the “when” of all of this which has brought A LOT of frustration. I still think that the 5 days between the revolution and exonerates represents albums 1-5. Then the two days between exonerates and everyone is two albums which I think would be ts10 then reputation. And the 3 days between Fervent and Revolution represents the three albums Taylor owns: Lover, Folklore and Evermore.

So the order is Lover folklore evermore, 1-5, ts10 and then reputation.

Additionally, ♠️ clues are consecutive days until we get to “free” which makes me think the timing between those clues should be counted as well 3 + 5 + 2 = 10 which could mean 10 albums.

And as an extra tidbit the fact that “exonerate” means “free” (the word it spells in the riddle) makes me think that ts10 is going to be named something like “vindication” or “absolution” that means or represents freedom. This is literally just a thought based on the words.

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Okay now one finally thing - if you will indulge me - I just wanted to point out a lyrical connection to the actual “They Are Free” message that I thought of while listening to Taylor’s from the vault song You All Over Me

“Swore that I'd get out of here/ But no amount of freedom gets you clean”

Even though this is a vault track I think Taylor is really good at finding meaning for her current self in old songs and thus we still get the emotion in her voice when she sings these oldies. So I feel like this idea of freedom is relevant. The idea that you wear your experiences like stains on your skin. You can get out of the dirty situation but some of those stains won’t go away.

They are free doesn’t necessarily mean they are getting out clean.

Again I just like thinking about stuff like this and wanted to share.

@spade-riddles

the fuck of it all is that this time last year we were still in the lover era

"wb is joe" - this claim is disputed.

this is gonna be really long. don’t say i didn’t say i didn’t warn ya.

ok, before talking about wb, let’s talk about nils sjöberg because i’ve seen some people claiming that he was registered as swedish and other people asking if this is real. i just think it’s funny how some people keep saying that nils sjöberg was registered as a swede, but no one shows any evidence to prove it. 

so let’s take a look of all these things, shall we?

taylor used a swedish name but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was registered with swedish citizenship. btw, the fact that she used a swedish name was really clever if you ask me because it diverted the attention from the songwriter’s identity and if it weren’t for calvin and all that drama, i bet the pseudonym would still be preserved today. 

and why it was clever? well, sweden is the third largest music exporter in the world, behind only the usa and the united kingdom. some of the biggest bands we know are from there: abba, roxette, the cardigans. and there are several more current artists in pop and alternative taking their place in the sun, such as robyn, tove lo, lykke li, zara larsson, icona pop, etc. some of the biggest names as producers and composers in pop music are swedish, like max martin, which is the producer with the most #1 hits on billboard for the past 50 years. sweden is also well known for having a lot of edm artists. two of the main streaming platforms are also swedish: spotify and soundcloud. sweden literally shape the pop music. it’s a fact. but that’s beside the point….

so first things first: let’s go back to 2016 and look at the prints about nils sjöberg that have survived time

this is the ASCAP page showing the credits for the composition. however, it doesn’t show the citizenship. because ASCAP, as well as BMI for example (but there are others too), are a Performing Rights Organization (PRO). they collect public performance royalties as stipulated by the U.S. Copyright Act and distributes them. they also ensure that all locations playing music have a license to do so. so, basically they make sure you’re getting paid.

this is what the BMI page looked like right after taylor ditched the pseudonym (7/18/16):

observation: calvin was associated with ascap. taylor was associated with BMI. that’s why we can see it in both sites.

now, let’s see how it looks in 2020 on both sites:

if you look for it in ASCAP, you’ll get this:

and this is the current BMI page:

still no details about citizenship or any other details on either site as these sites are not the copyright database. THIS is the copyright office online database:

as we can see, the catalog only shows the updated version of the record, when she ditched the pseudonym. so, we don’t know how what it was like before, under nils sjöberg.

BUT what we do know is that when you register the copyright of a song, you don’t necessarily need to put along your real name, you can register it as anonymous, a pseudonym or a pen name, but you still need to give your citizenship or your domicile.

for example this is how shellback is registered in black space and in dancing with our hands tied.

registered as a pseudonym (he even gave his real name although he was not obligated to), but his citizenship is from sweden. max martin and oscar holter are also under swedish citizenship, even though they’re not under a pseudonym.

so let’s check on our one and only, william bowery:

as we can see, in public records william bowery is listed as an american citizen. and yes, joe could have dual citizenship etc, but for that he’d have to live in the united states for certain period (at least five years, and not have been absent in this period for more than six months) and it’s widely known and publicized out there that he still lives in london with his parents. and even if they were married (they’re not), it’s necessary that the marriage is already at least three years old and the applicant has not been out of the country for more than six months, in addition to being in the country for at least 18 months.

so if he’s not an american citizen and he’s supposed to be william, the public record should show him registered as a british citizen. that american citizenship doesn’t fit the story at all.

since the release of evermore, i’ve kept an eye on the copyright site to be able to check the new entries on wb there, however the site is apparently outdated and only the betty and exile records appear under “william bowery”. and before you all ask me, there is nothing registered under joe’s name either. there is also no new entry for evermore in taylor’s name, not even jack, justin or aaron. is really outdated. the reason? idk, probably with the pandemic it’s taking longer to update the database -which is totally understandable-, for example, i can’t find some other new realeses too, like wonder by shawn mendes or plastic hearts by miley.

anyway, so i checked BMI and william bowery appears as a songwriter there, but remember that BMI is just an organization that takes care of the royalties, licensing etc, so it doesn’t show details of the authorship. but the credits appear along with betty and exile, which means that it’s the same william from folklore and not another with the same name. and if it’s the same from folklore, it means that his citizenship is the same too: american — as we already saw in the copyright register print up there.

here’s some prints: 1) all songs listed under “william bowery” 2) champagne problems, as an example from evermore 2) exile, as an example from folklore

the only site that mentions joe’s name as a songwriter, is genius. however, just like wikipedia, anyone can edit information on genius. so this claim is literally disputed by official sources.

in conclusion:

nils sjöberg being registered as swedish doesn’t make sense. the pseudonym was just ditched. and last time i checked, taylor was not swedish. then, according to copyright rules, nils would have been registered as an american. it’s mathematics luv.

as far as i know, lying and giving false information on a copyright record (or any other official document) is illegal. therefore, unless you believe that taylor would really commit some kind of felony, the only explanation that exists here is: william is not joe alwyn.

whoever “william bowery” is, is an american.

and why would it be necessary to keep the pseudonym “william bowery” in evermore when supposedly his true identity had already been revealed before evermore was even released? what is so controversial about joe alwyn, a white boy, that he’d need to hide? make it make sense.

@theprologues @iwanthermidnightz i’m tagging you guys because i know you get a lot of asks about this, so i hope this helps in some way :)

🖐🏻

raise your hand if folklore has been an escape, a cosy refuge, and a lifeline for you in your darkest hours

I can’t stop laughing at Jack’s face at that part. 

Kaylor | Hands

me wondering if the cherries on taylor’s shirt are easter eggs, knowing full well that that doesn’t even make sense:

Submission - Shamrock

Sometimes I wonder if Taylor has a “trick up her sleeve” and is secretly in the process of buying her masters from Shamrock. Or maybe buying out Sc**ter’s share (although idk how that deal is structured). I fully recognize that this is a crazy theory– pleaseeee don’t get your hopes up, everyone.

This entire Shamrock acquisition has always seemed weird to me. Taylor wanted to buy her masters. Taylor, at the very least, didn’t want Sc**ter to profit off her work. And if all else failed, Taylor was going to re-record her first six albums. None of these things were secrets– Taylor explicitly said as much. Shamrock would have known this beforehand. So why would they spend all that money, yet still let Sc**ter profit as part of the deal? If Taylor is going to do everything in her power to NOT let Sc**ter (and Shamrock) make money off her masters, why didn’t Shamrock just cut Sc**ter out? Then Taylor would have worked with them and they would have made more money. I have to think Shamrock had the upper hand here– Sc**ter needed money quickly. He needed to sell more than Shamrock needed to buy.

Something else about Shamrock: Abigail Disney is the Vice Chair, I believe. I would assume she’s involved in making decisions. Abigail Disney is interesting, because she’s super rich and a social activist. Like she thinks she and other billionaires need to be taxed more. She has a PhD, makes documentaries, is big on women’s rights, and even renounced her shares of profits from a company that has a factory in the West Bank (for ethical reasons). Abigail seems like the kind of person who would be on Taylor’s side and at the very least, not give Sc**ter a chance to profit off Taylor’s work.

So all of this was weird to me back in November, when we heard about it. Then I heard Ivy, and wondered if there was a connection.

“Clover blooms in the fields” – Shamrock literally means “young clover.“ 

"Spring breaks loose, the time is near / What would he do if he found us out?” – Maybe a deal between Taylor and Shamrock will be announced in the spring. Maybe the “he” is Sc**ter– maybe the reason nothing makes sense right now is because Taylor is trying to catch Sc**ter by surprise, so he can’t foil her plans again. More on this later.

“Crescent moon, coast is clear” – There’s a new moon on March 13th. Meaning there will be a waxing crescent moon from March 14th to March 20th. This coincides with the Ides of March (Spade riddle) and St. Patrick’s Day (shamrocks). Hmm.

“Spring breaks loose, but so does fear / He’s gonna burn this house to the ground” – Could the house be the Lover house? Where each room is an album? Is Taylor afraid that if Sc**ter finds out before her deal is finalized, he’ll ruin it?

Let’s think about the timing, for a minute. We know Taylor was in LA a lot last spring and summer. Shamrock’s office is in Burbank, an LA suburb. Spade left in July and Karlie got pregnant at some point in this timeframe. Idk if any of this is related, but that Spade riddle about the Ides of March haunts me. 9 months before March 15th is June 15th, which is right around the time Spade finished the THEY ARE FREE riddles. That’s also around the time we think Karlie got pregnant. Maybe this is all a coincidence, idk. 

Taylor posts about her masters on November 16th. Jerklie is also papped that day. On November 17th, Karlie confirms her pregnancy with a video. Evermore (and Ivy) come out a few weeks later. Again, just interesting how the timing aligned. 

November is ALSO when Kaylor’s PR gets weird. Taylor says Toe is WB in the LPSS, Karlie is pregnant and still stunting, Taylor is re-recording, we have no idea what’s going on.

To try to tie this all together… I wonder if Taylor is tricking us. Maybe there won’t be any re-recordings beyond Love Story, because she’s been working with Shamrock behind the scenes to oust Sc**ter. Maybe all the buzz she’s created about her re-recordings is to throw everyone off, including Sc**ter and all his people. Maybe this is why the All Knower account on Twitter is still up– because Taylor’s team is involved and feeding them the info they want to get out. Maybe this is why Taylor’s PR is weird– steer the conversation to “Toe is WB” etc. to give everyone something totally unrelated to her masters to talk about. Maybe this is why Karlie is still bearding– either to cover for Taylor or trick Sc**ter. Maybe the reason Taylor wouldn’t sign Sc**ter’s NDA is because she’s going to come for him the moment he’s not profiting off her masters.

Anyway, I know this is wild. I don’t expect this to happen, as much as I want it to. I only bring all this up because of the discussions tonight about whether the “masters case” is closed. I thought I was the only one who has been wondering if maybe it isn’t. Realistically though, I expect to be completely wrong.

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Pro: I think I saw that all her albums were registered with copyright. Good theory though!

"Recent Papped"

Finally I went to look at Karlie’s “recent” photos, just because I thought it was strange that they didn’t recognize Kimby in the photos. So, I found something even stranger. First, I want to say that I think these are latergram, something that KK uses routinely, so as not to indicate her whereabouts in real time. I believe that little Swift-Kloss is already among us (and God willing, far from Jerk). And in December, KK had already said how difficult it was for her to do her daily exercises, and even going up a few flights of stairs, made her very tired. So, therefore, I think it’s unlikely that she went for a walk on the street, when she is so close to her birth. Not to mention that because of the risk of contamination, and because of tiredness, it would be much safer and more comfortable for her to walk inside her property, in the external area. “After all, she lives in a mansion with Jerk”, there’s no shortage of space, and if she gets tired, she’s already “in her house”.

Second, and more importantly, there seems to be a “dispute” between the KK team and the JK team. There are 3 news, 2 from DM (Jerk’s PR) and 1 from People (Kar’s PR).

The Jerk’s team released the “papped”, on the 8 th, on the DM (it was edited two hours after publication. I don’t know what changed), and sneakily, in the captions of the photos they claim that he’s the father.

On the 9th, in the afternoon, Kar’s team responds by releasing People’s report about their walk, stressing (again) that the child is only hers. Realize that the report claims to be her baby… “Karlie Kloss is getting her steps before her baby’s arrival!”, and implies that Jerk’s the father… “Both soon-to-be parents wore baseball caps…”

But they never claim to be their child … “‘Karlie is overjoyed to be expecting her first child in 2021,’ a source close to Kloss told PEOPLE in October. ‘She will be the most amazing mother.’ ”.

And then, on the 9th, at night, Jerk’s team counters the publication of People magazine. However, now, they change tactics and are more brazen, stating in the second sentence of the story that JK is the father. In addition, they still commit the gross blunder of not knowing that the woman next to Kar is her younger sister, Kimby Kloss (I think there is a trainee in trouble. Lol).

How do I know they are two different teams? Simple, for the different ways in which both news treat Karlie. In People magazine’s report, made by Karlie’s new PR team, they use words from previous reports and, as always, highlight some of her qualities as an independent and entrepreneurial woman (Not to mention that ALL of Karlie’s team knows Kimby). In the DM’s news, Jerk’s team wanted to make it look like they were made by the KK team, but they made a mistake by using the same old, lazy style of shit published by SB, whenever he released something about KK when he was still her representative. SB talks about the clothes her wears, and always highlights Jerk. If you read it, you notice that SB mentions KK minimally, and tries to make Jerk look cool and the good guy. He emphasizes the new property that the “couple” bought “together”, which the “happy couple” intends to spend more time with family (Kushners), but points out that Jerk is totally opposed to Jared politically. There’s nothing talking about Karlie in a good light, she’s just objectified with her modeling job and the “nice” guy’s “good wife”. That is, SB used Kar’s pregnancy treacherously (typical of SB/JK) to promote Jerk in a good way. The “good” business guy, the “good” husband, the “good” father, the “good” son and the “best” brother.

Another proof of what two different teams are like is that KK’s current PR team has an approach to her pregnancy of never claiming that JK is the father of her baby (which SB did the day before yesterday). Kar’s new team, in addition to always extolling her achievements, empowers her, highlighting some of her work and, whenever appropriate, that is, that she has to mention JK, they reaffirm her liberal political position, and show the conflicts and divergences with the Kushners. They having a preference for People magazine. And always when they talk about the pregnancy, they just imply that Jerk is the father, but they never claim that the “his baby” or “their baby/child”. They always use the words “her baby”! See what happened in Gigi’s pregnancy announcement in the same magazine! They never use “her baby”, as they do in ALL the news about Karlie.

And see how it sounds and looks different “just” because of the use of a only word, “her”. In the KK’s ad, you can also deduce that there’re two things happening at the same time, semantically. Kar is expecting her first child. And while she may be expecting someone else’s baby (her first child), Kar is also with her husband (Jerk’s not the father, just the pregnant woman’s “husband”).

It’s not for nothing that SB made a point of using “her” twice in the DM reports, but in a different way.

It’s a small detail of semantics, but it’s always there, “her baby” or “her first child”, but never theirs baby.

“…But I would die for you in secret The devil’s in the details, but you got a friend in me…” (peace)

After this, I asked myself, “why do a publication so different from the first, but still implying that JK is the father?”. Because KK is still under contract (I think in the sunset clause part), and also I think this is for the narrative that the girls are likely to follow, when will she be divorced from JK, to clarify that he is not the father of Karlie’s child (Kar: “See the news! I always said that was my baby.”). And all this care in particular, leads me to believe that the girls intend to erase Jerk from the future narrative about who is the real dad of little Swift-Kloss. This will be the operation “Throwing away the trash!”. Lol. I’m of the opinion that, a good PR can do wonders in your life. And Tree is awesome at what she does! See how the Swifties still believe Toe is real, even with all the holes in their timeline. She even managed to convert some gaylors. Tree is f@#$ing awesome! (Sorry about that, Tree. But it’s as accurate as I can describe your work.)

I hate that they to imply that Jerk is the father of Tay and KK’s baby, but at least they never claim that. You must be wondering, “what difference does it make? If they imply that JK is the father, makes people still believe that it’s true.” Well, for you, it might not make any difference, but apparently it makes all the difference for the moms of little Swift-Kloss. And that, for those who still don’t understand that part, is the only thing that matters to Taylor and Karlie. They know their truth!

If you paid attention to MA, they decided to live their romantic life in secret, without an expiration date for this to cease to be so. All the little things that they share with us, through tips, small maneuvers (like this one of always saying “her baby” in the news) and the easter eggs pointing out that they’re still a couple, are not for: “Karlie still have someone to buy her adidas merchandise, she has no audience other than kaylors”; or for “Taylor to have support when she leaves”. No! Taylor and Karlie do this, because that was the only way they found to still share, with those who know that they’re a couple (although they still wear beards) and support them, a little bit of what is going on in their family life outside the spotlights.

Don’t be angry, or feel “betrayed”, or used. After all, they owe nothing to any of us, and they never asked or promised anything to anyone around here. Is it frustrating to see Jerk’s face or oat milk’s face? It sure is! Frustration is what I feel most since they disappeared from the spotlight. And look, I’ve been here since 2014, I went through the ordeal of seeing Kissgate, CH and everything else. And despite that turbulent period, at least, we had photos and videos of them together. If you’re not prepared to go through these acrobatics (with Jerk still here until his contract, finally, to end), without almost having a nervous breakdown or of anger, imagine when you realize that there is a great chance of the girls, possibly, never publicly assume not even their friendship again. So, if this is bothering you or hurting your mental health, I advise you to leave. There’re thousands of other cool things to do out there.

After all, why would they reveal their relationship to the public? For them to hear some people saying THE ABSURD that, “Taylor cares more about her masters than about her own child”?! Why bother to leave their sanctuary, if they’re going to hear this kind of shit and worse (here and in all the world media too), while now they’re living happily and at peace together? They’re even increasing their family Klan!

If they’re forced to hear RIDICULOUS things like that, I prefer that they continue to live their romance in silence.

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Submission: Kaylor timeline 2019-2020

This is a atempt of maping the happenings surrounding kaylor in the last 3 years. Please keep in mind that i might forget some things, mostly from 2019 since my memory is actually horrible. I’ll try to include the most important things mainly so let me know if i missed something big. Also, feel free to add some kaylor nods, easter eggs on the girls’ social media, general stuff and correct me i fim wrong on dates or places. Oh quick disclaimer: most of this is Taylor focused because the last time i went on karlies instagram to look for the nashville selfie i actually wanted to puke or bury my face into a hole for the rest of eternety (ok, both) after seeing the jerk photos so if you have any important stuff please add it. Thank u!!!

Lover Era

- ME! MV release on lesbian visibility day (april 26th)

- City of Lover (funny enough, karlie was there in march 😉)

- taylor’s pride post “lets show our pride…” (taylors ig june 1st)

- Promo for the MV with karlie’s hand on taylors ig 16 june post   

- sc**ter *audible puke sound* buys taylors masters (june 30th)

- You Need To Calm Down MV (july 17th) 

- Lover Title Track released 13 days after karlie’s bday (august 16th)

- Lover mv release which Taylor captioned on her ig post with YAIL lyrics.

- Lover Album Release (august 23rd)

- Miss Americana release (jan 31 2020) “gay pride… everything that makes me me” etc

- The Man MV release (feb 27th)

Here’s some posts with lover era easter eggs:

Link 1

Link 2

some inch resting posts:

eye theory ?! 

gold rush 😉

paris captions: 

Link 1

Link 2

(probably not that much of a proof much more of a koincidence since au revoir is a pretty common frase but whatever)

This masterpiece here during NYFW in 2019:

note: I think its pretty safe to assume that up until this point its obvious kaylor is still together. Theres exactly no reason why Taylor and Karlie would be referencing kaylor stuff and each other at this point if they weren’t together.

folklore & evermore Era (oh the start of a daydream and a nightmare)

- Not a lot going on at the moment post  April 27, 2020

- Karlies very interesting posts:  

Dancing in a Cardigan July 10th, 2020

Happy Place July 23rd, 2020

- Tamagochi June 25, 2020 and buns May 14, 2020

- folklore announcement (july 23rd)

Note: up until this point its also pretty much a concensus that they’re still together. Since Karlie hinted the folklore aesthetic and cardigan on her ig post, and Taylor changed the cardigan lyrics to “knew you’d come back to me” and wrote “the lakes” and obviously there is “peace”. From this point on, especially after the WB stuff and pregnancy rumors in September (?) things start to get kinda blurry and gaylors and kaylors start building different point of views. So heres what happens:

- Taylor releases the long pond sessions where she says that joe is WB. I feel like we kinda all believe he isn’t, the thing that gives it for me is mostly Taylor’s body language and the way she stutters when she says it. Also, its kinda weird that out of nowhere joe got this songwriting skills magically. Like, they’ve been “together” for four years and only now Taylor discoveres this man has better songwriting and composing skills than his actual job, idk sounds fishy to me but, you make the call.

- Pregnancy rumors starts flowing on both sides. Taylor quickly starts drinking a shit ton of wine to get her beloved swiffers to come to the realization that she is in fact not pregnant. Karlie’s rumors also starts flowing, and then the people! (?) article comes out confirming it and Karlie later posts a video on her instagram. Here’s where it gets messy. Ill try to explain shortly to you the narrative on the Kaylor side and why i don’t believe in the gaylor narrative. Obviously its your choice wheter you believe it or not.

- Kaylor: The baby is Taylor’s and Karlie’s (not gonna get into hows and stuff bc if it is actually real then it is invading their privacy too much, also speculating about this might trigger some people). 

Things that back this theory up: obviously peace “give you a child”, karlie not tagging j*sh*a on her vids, that one 2,½ photo from the folklore photoshoot, buns and tamagochi, Taylor and Paul talking about parenthood in the Rolling Stone issue, and all the fertility imagery in evermore and folklore.

Karlie was in Cali in may until august, Taylor was also there. Jerk was on Ny or Miami cant exactly remeber. And it seems that this is what she wrote that one line “knew youd come back to me” in cardigan about. (IMO they [t and k] had some fight after the masters sale on the end of 2019 and took a break or something, so she would in fact come back to her, but just my opinion). So, karlie was there from may to august, karlie’s is on the end of her pregnancy, and if you do the math, she got pregnant sometime between june and july. Which makes it kinda impossible for the baby to be jerk’s (consequently ending the gaylor narrative) since he was in another place and karlie was on cali for like 4 months, if the baby was his, the baby would’ve been born already.

The gaylor narrative is mostly based on Taylor’s songs specially champagne problems, coney island, hoax, closure and exile.

Coney Island isn’t even necessarily a breakup song, it’s just simply a sad song, it is like death by a thousand cuts pt2, it gives the vibe that Taylor is sorry about a lot of things like not being able to thank Karlie “but when i walked up to the podium i think that i forgot to say your name”.

Like coney island, hoax is about the lows of their relationship but it’s clear in the song that taylor still loves karlie and would trade her for anything “don’t want no other shade of blue but you”

Closure and champagne: it just reminds me of Dianna for some reason i don’t even know how to explain it. Champagne Problems remind some of Dianna bc of i know places where she says “take my hand and don’t ever drop it”, to the gp that song is about harry(<3) and most songs that “are about him” are actually about Dianna. i do think it’s is kinda inspired by Karlie though.

Exile: honestly could be used to form a toe breakup narrative.

TBH we’ll probably never understand fully the story behind it. But Taylor also said that a lot of the albums are full of fantasy even thought they’re also inspired by real life situations.

Thank u for reading!! this is obviously my opinion on the matter and my take on the whole situation. feel free to believe whatever you want, and add stuff i forgot sending u lots of love <3

Not sure if you feel this way. But Kaylor is a rabbit hole you basically can’t get out of. Once you see these connections and lyrical interpretations nothing will ever make you unsee them. That’s why I am always so confused by long-time die-hard TS fans who still think Toe is real. Because even if they just read a single kaylor masterpost their current belief should have been extremely challenged. We live in a real world where you can’t selectively brush off hard evidences like Karlie’s hand, voice, and her midnights. That all Toe “evidences” are pap photos and SM activities but the Kaylor evidences are everywhere in Taylor’s art in all possible ways is incredibly convincing. I don’t want to believe it’s homophobia, but this does feel like a case of mass delusion and maybe internal homophobia. It seems some people just don’t want her to be anything other than straight?

Yes I don’t understand how you can be a deep Taylor fan who watches her every move and not see it. Some people do not want to see it because their preconceived notions of her are incorrect. We also live in a misinformation age where information is weaponized fact or fiction.

I really think people are making this scott b narrative way worse than it is. Taylor has always been a career focused person. She has said many times that she knew from her preteens that she wanted to be famous. She knew she was good at songwriting. She knew country music was known for strong songwriting. She knew going to Nashville would lead to her getting better at songwriting. She probably knew she would not have a successful career as an openly queer singer songwriter. Especially in the country music world. She chose to separate her personal life from her public image so that she could become successful. She surrounded herself with a team of adults who were dedicated to creating and maintaining that public image. Part of that maintenance involved playing the Hollywood love connections game and attaching her to other celebs. Unfortunately she didn’t have good long term beards. So there were a lot of jumping back and forth. Early on in her career she was focused on her career not love. So it was easier to play the bearding game.

At a certain point her public image and personal life fell out of alignment and her team of adults dedicated to making this work probably started to have a difference of opinion about how to realign. That’s when the rift caused problems. She chose to be in the closet. Now if you want to have a converation about society and the culture of the entertainment industry as a whole that teaches artists this is the only way to do things that’s cool. But Scott was a symptom of a larger disease. Her disdain for him came later. She has literally said time and time again that he was her best friend and most trusted person who knew everything about her and knew exactly how to hurt her. She wasn’t a prisoner of Scott for 15 years.

Worse than telling her to be closeted at a very young age (we know she also chose this) then selling her entire life’s work to an enemy and announcing it on a day she was going to come out?

No one is saying she’s a prisoner of him.